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Ultrakaiju3000 wrote: Thunderstudent wrote: Titanollante wrote: HeiseiMekaG wrote: FinaroJira is the only weak Zilla; the others seem to be around  ShodaiRado-level strength, at least. Zilla Junior and the IDW incarnation are close to Showa-Goji strength, and ShodaiJira is still quite durable for a kaiju; he doesn't fetter in the face of heavy gunfire and is able to dodge missiles effectively if not hindered by a trap, which is already very impressive. Zilla's top speed, agility, burrowing and ferocity are also quite impressive and could easilly cause Gigan some trouble; again, he had trouble fighting Mothra, who is far more frail than Zilla can be; Gigan's also a notorious coward, so it's also quite possible that Gigan takes a beating, can't react to Zilla's greater speed due to his greater size and mass and turns tail and runs because he can't fight back; Zilla Junior, IIRC, has a very impressive speed and is certainly able to take out Gigan, but the other Zillas could also manage a win (aside from Finaro, because he suxxorz olololol).

I'm kinda "eh" here, actually. 50/50 either way. I don't think Mothra would die from a couple of missiles. Also, how can you judge that Zilla 2004 is the weakest?! Zilla 1998 was killed by just a few missiles when he was trapped in the bridge. Zilla 2004 was killed after being THROWN at the Sydney Opera house at like 70MPH on his back and head and immediately after getting hit with a full ATOMIC BLAST that caused a HUGE explosion and was obviously MUCH stronger than a few missiles. AND HE WAS ROARING WHILE GODZILLA USED THE ATOMIC BREATH TOO, MEANING HE WAS STILL ALIVE THE FIRST SECOND OR TWO AFTER GODZILLA WAS FIRING AT HIM!

FinalJira [or FainaruJira, but not "FinaroJira"...] is stronger than the normal Zilla. No doubt.

Ultrakaiju3000 wrote: I think It's obvious showa Gigan wold win. People say zilla is to agile for Gigan, but remember, Gigan can fly at mach 3 and knowing Gigan in the showa series, he would definitely use this to his advantage. Also Gigan in the showa series was fairly cunning. Remember when he pretended to be knocked out by Godzilla only to surprise attack him when he leased expected it or when he held jet jaguar hostage in order to dissuade Godzilla. I'm not saying all zilla's were dumb though. Zilla Jr showed great intelligence. However the other 2 zillas, not so much. Also zilla junior is weak to venom. I bring this up because, according to cut away charts, showa Gigan has venom in his hooks. Witch explains why Godzilla became so weak after Gigan jabbed him in the face several times. Also as I mentioned earlier, Gigan can fly at mac 3. As seen in his showa series, Gigan uses this ability to either make aerial slams or swoop down and cut enemies with his buzz saw. Many say that zilla could easily dodge all Gigans attacks, but keep in mined, zilla's top running speed is 300 miles per hour which is impressive, but is much less than mac 3 which is 1 020.87 miles per second. The last useful advantage Gigan has is his strength. Showa Gigan was capable of fighting and nearly killing Godzilla by himself in "Godzilla vs Gigan". That alone says enough. So with all this Gigan would use his flight, intelligence, streangth, and venom hooks to overcome zilla. Gigan isn't that smart. Not any smarter than Zilla anyways. Zilla 1998 actually used deception with the Apache helicopters and bit them from behind the building. Then he made the submarines fire at each other, and he dodged any attacks that came his way until he was trapped in the Golden Gate Bridge. Gigan hiding inside something might have been a bit smart but it was cowardly. Zilla is cowardly too, but at least he can run super fast on land. Gigan walks slowly unless he's flying, meaning he can dodge all land attacks. Who's to say that Zilla won't hide from Gigan underwater or in a sewer or cave, where Gigan has absolutely no way of catching up to Zilla? Gigan's smartest move has been running away and leaving his allies to die when he and his allies are in trouble. Also, where is that cut away that showed Gigan had venom in his hooks? That has never appeared anywhere.

Don't  believe me? Character Analysis: Gigan (Showa)

I can understand your points, but I must respectfully disagree. Gigan did use many advanced tactics.Here are examples. Remember when he ambushed Godzilla in "Zone Fighter" after pretending to defeated or when he pretended to retreat from Godzilla in "Godzilla vs Megalon" only to swoop down and ram into him shortly after, and also remember when he snuck up behind Godzilla and started striking him in "Godzilla vs Gigan". Also, according to the cut away chart, Gigan has a pretty large brain in proportion to the rest of his body compared to other monsters. The points you brought up on Zilla's use of deception were pretty good, but they only worked because the military was stupid. I mean what kind army is dumb enough to zip between buildings, knowing that the monster is capable of hiding behind them without detection. Also zilla had trouble catching a Taxi! Giving what Zilla is capable of, there was no excuse for why he didn't catch them(besides it being for the sake of the script.) He could of used his combustion breath to blow the Taxi, he had so many opportunities and openings. Heck, he could of hid under the bridge and attacked from underneath. With that being said, Gigan could also use his buzzsaw. Why not just cut him if he gets too close. He did that to anguirus who is also agile and fast. Also in the fight, Gigan would probably use his flight to continuously ram zilla, and then start savagely beating him up when he's to weak to fight back, and if that dose not work, start using those fake out tactics i mentioned earlier. That's how he fought in Godzilla vs Megalon and Godzilla vs Gigan. So with that said, Zilla is a smart kaiju in his own right, but any monster capable of outsmarting Godzilla more than once(Witch Gigan did) is worthy of being deemed "clever". I see... they're more evenly matched than I initially suspected... also, Zilla not catching up with the taxi was so stupid, yeah. The military there is stupid... Everyone in that movie is stupid! Devlin and Emmerich are really crappy writers...

So it seems Gigan teams up with dummies but he's not a dummy himself. Perhaps that deceives all who see the stuff he is in? Zilla is not on the winning side anymore, at least not on land. Gigan versus Zilla Junior would be a more interesting discussion now... Zilla Junior is much smarter than his father, but those venom hooks... is Zilla Junior really weak to venom?! Let me check this: Zilla Junior ...

It says that poison is a weakness, and venom is poisonous so... it seems like at least the Showa Gigan would be a winner indeed. Mach 3 is an insane speed... Gigan has a lot of tricks up his sleeve, and it seems they're too much for the Zilla species...