Board Thread:Monster Discussions/@comment-26393844-20151004130141/@comment-26383550-20151103004813

exactly. Also, Super Godzilla takes place in a different dimension from the Heisei series. This means, even if Dez is proven to be somewhere on the list of All Powerful monsters, we STILL wouldn't know how strong Bagan is. And chances are, he isn't that powerful. Please, stop worshipping Bagan as a god. He is just a video game boss (video game term for a very strong enemy). Also? How would Bagan kill Dez exactly? You say Dez has a critical weak point of extreme temperature (which is true), but how is Bagan gonna acess it? To be honest, only about 3-4 kaiju in the series could kill Dez. Bagan has no attack that is temperature based for all I know, and Dez could also split and regenerate. What does Bagan have? Falling crystals and a beam attack. WOW!!!!! HE MUST BE THE STRONGEST MONSTER EVER!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!-not. If we don't know how powerful this boss (video game term for a very strong enemy) is, how can we say he is the strongest? Please read a comment before saying something. As I said, "If we can't measure a Godzilla's strength, how do we know how powerful he is? And to top it all off, in every scrapped movie he was in, he was defeated. By Godzilla. Without the help of another monster. And, without transforming. Also, In his Heisei series scraps, Bagan was killed by Godzilla in what was supposed to be one of the first in the series, meaning Godzilla wasn't even strong enough to face Super Mecha Godzilla. And, in the Mothra movie he was of course defeated by Mothra, who in the series this movie was supposed to take place in, was not nearly as strong as her Showa counterpart as Godzilla was defeated by her to larvae, (which I guess is the strength of a new imago) and even their mother, who keep in mind was old and weakened, gave Godzilla a hard time. Now you may be saying that I'm saying what I said about the whole "We can't measure a Godzilla's strength..." is not true but, since the Heisei series takes place after Gojira, I'm guessing, the new Godzilla (From Raids Again) is about as strong as the "original" and didn't change in strength to much by the fourth movie, Mothra vs. Godzilla, meaning that the Godzillasaurus in the Heisei series is about as strong as the one in Gojira. and since Mothra is about half of her Showa counterparts power in the Heisei series, Bagan, is not that strong, IF we are looking at his power in the 2 scrapped Heisei movies. In Super Godzilla, he is really powerful, or is he? Now before we get into any real logic on why Bagan seems to be super strong, I would like to go over some other things. As we all know (If your visiting this thread), in Super Godzilla, Goji faces off with his strongest enemies at the time. So, in theory, he is strong enough to take down Super Mecha Godzilla. Right? Biollante was a bit of a challenge. But that's movie accurate. Right? Well, let's take a look at something that may even blow the tops off of Titano. All the Heisei series enemies are around the same strength. YES. You heard me, The same strength. This means, Godzilla is fighting a bunch of monsters, that are about as strong as the last. This would not count of course to Dez and maybe Space G. But this does mean Bagan is strong, just not a god, or a monster that could take down Keizer or Dez.BUT, don't start dropping hate comments yet, the hate is only about to begin. THE ONLY REASON BAGAN IS A VERY STRONG KAIJU  AND IS WORSHIPPED  IS...................................... he's the final boss of a video game. Do you want to beat a game and say, "Oh that was too easy" and mean it? Sure if it has great characters and a good story than yeah, I wouldn't mind saying that, but if it's Super Godzilla? AW HAILL NO! When you complete a game, you want to feel like you accomplished something. If you beat a game you are saying is easy and you know that, then you don't feel accomplished. But if you beat Super Godzilla, you are gonna feel accomplished. From what I've seen, that game is HARD AS HELL. So, it would only make sense to make it difficult so the player enjoys it more when they beat a boss, or beat the game. It make stuff easier to remember. So, what makes an already difficult game even better? A final boss of course! But who to choose from? Theirs always Mothra, but she would be too easy to beat and wouldn't look as creative and "WHAM!!! IN YO FACE!!!". You can't use SMG (The nickname for Super MechaGodzilla, not a type of gun.) because he was killed to early in the game and you only have a a small amount of time left to develop this game. So, who is it gonna be? How about this Kaiju that was never used in a Toho movie, because they thought it would do bad? Let's change him up and make a difficult but fun final battle! That may aswell be what happened with the development team during this time. And, wouldn't you do the same? Afterall, making games is all about taking risks, and to the Godzilla community, this risk was done well a people seem to make this monster a god. But, now that you know WHY Bagan isn't the strongest Kaiju, and WHY he appears to be, go spread the news. I'm not saying you have to listen to what I say and accept that as a fact, but stop worshipping Bagan. I DON'T CARE if he is your favorite monster or video game character OR favorite fictional character in general. JUST DON'T WORSHIP HIM AS A GOD! Listen, it maybe hard to accept that someone is stronger than you our your favorite character (Goku vs Superman. BUT DON'T GET ME STARTED ON KIRBY VS MAJIN BUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT FIGHT SHOULDN'T EVEN EXIST!!!!!!!), but I'm able to do it. But every time you say to a Bagan fan he is not the strongest, they say he is, because they don't want to admit their wrong, or say their favorite character is weak. It is your typical human. They may even act like they were joking and knew he wasn't, although they still think he is. And in most cases, you'll catch them saying the same thing again, (like how Bagan is an all powerful god) and continue to say they are joking and that would be considered spam. They aren't thinking when they do that. It is again, typical human. We don't like being wrong. Listen, neither do I. And that may sound a flat out lie, but every time I thought of a FNAF theory and ended up being wrong, sure I said "God damnit!" but I also thought it was funny I was wrong. How i missed this slight thing that changed everything. I'm used to being wrong. I have never payed attention in Music or Art and I am dropping to B's in Math. But the thing is, I'm used to it. Sure I always say "Oh! damn! If I thought about it a bit more I would have got it!" but because I'm used to it, I've given myself more time to think about it and see how I can improve. I see other kids in my class who go like "WHAT!!!! I GOT THAT RIGHT!!!!" and that's because their not used to it. I honestly was not at all how smart I should have been in Pre-K, but, roll first grade, my grades went sky high! I wrote a poem at 5th grade level! In first grade! but roll 2nd grade I got a little mad when I got bad scores. Roll 3rd grade and I'm almost use to it! Midway through 4th I went "meh." to my bad scores. I knew I could improve. That's why to this day, I'm used to being wrong. Unlike Bagan fans, I would go "Oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh! sry, I lost my copy of Godzilla vs Destoroyah a couple months back so I don't remember much!" (which is sadly true although what made it suck more, is it was a double feature and also had Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla.) instead of " NO!!!!! BAGAN COULD BEAT KIRYU!!!!!! " I'm gonna end it at that and hopefully the thread at that. I hate knowing this is such a great Wiki yet people have to fight in biased fights that clog mail and make the average Godzilla noob or fan looking for info leave. I despise it! So, I leave this entire thread to the hands of my friend TKOTM to decide it's fate. If not closed after this comment, and the thread is allowed to live, I know it will end soon enough. I've been talking for way to long right now. I most likely have been writing this for 2 hours. So, fellow wiki contributors, I will see you next time!