Im just determined to figure things out and evidence on the M3 being Abaddon is pretty stacked from what I've been finding... the more I look into the myth of Devils Tower the more it seems it I mean the Demon Bear in question is described as "A giant hairless, large headed, and long stiff legged bear-like creature easily mistaken by modern interpretation as an Elephant". I can see it in the image, and in all honesty if it is it actualy adds a layer of world building in that the MUTO are in fact a lineage of animals not just one "Out of nowhere nobody mammal with bug and reptile traits", also why couldn't they just make it a bug? Muto make my inner biologist have a mental breakdown.
That said IF they update Monarch Sciences and I am wrong, I'm perfectly fine with that... If I'm right...holy crap I am not just a crazy idiot! Just crazy... and maybe still an idiot.
I just want us to have SOMETHING in case they just up and end the whole KOTM marketing on that and never tell us more on any of the TItans cause they did say keep an eye on things after the movie and them nothing happened. So can we instead of fighting on it debat the why it can't be and why i might be, or team up on figuring out this stuff cause I need help on a few.. like what the actual hell is up with the "Not-Behemoth" X-ray.
So truce? Or amicable agreement to tolerate theoreticals and possibilities?
I agree, we did get off on the wrong foot. I actually really admire the fact that you've managed to find so many details and clues from those x-rays. It's great to see someone so passionate about the fandom. I came off way too aggressive which is just a bad habit of mine, but I've seen this wiki sabotaged so many times with false/unconfirmed information that I just want to protect the site's credibility. That being said, it does look like you are actually on to something with these x-rays, so from this point on I'm willing to be more open to theories and even help brainstorm. Especially when Legendary is being so secretive, sometimes it's up to us fans to go digging for info.
Thanks man, I am also admittedly at fault... I get too passionate about things. Funny thing is my reason is the same as yours, too much sabatoge from false stuff like this one guy on Instagram posting obviously fake stuff claiming its official.
Literally Indoraptor with wings on the left...and I know i've seen that Leviathan somewhere.
Also on the subject of Not-Hemoth...are those antennae (starting on the right going back to the left)?
I mean location feels very Camazotz... Tenochtitlan has a literal tower of skulls that we haven't fully dug up and only 5% is uncovered (the structure itself is a temple city the scale of which is boggling) and we have no idea who built it, the Aztecs found it and it was apparently 500 years after it was abandoned.
Well we know Behemoth awoke in Brazil, so its not him for sure. Possibly Camazotz, but isn't he supposed to emerge from underneath Skull Island? If what you see is actually antennae, and judging from those forelimb-like hands on the bottom x-ray, then we most likely have another insectoid Titan on our hands.
I don’t think it’s confirmed Camazotz is in Skull Island? Unless I missed something? Last I checked the seismic activity was the a Skullcrawlers waking up in mass. Also given the Camazotz and Aztec connection...
If it is an insect... we come back around to a forgotten friend said to be in Mexico, Sargon the beetle Titan. My main issue with it is the top part looks like a limb with bone, like a leg or arm.
I mean they do line up it's just some names are obviously put in as red herrings, everything else seems to fit. The issue is resolved if you put the right name on each but then it swings into the oddball... we have no idea what the Israel guy's name is, I picked a placeholder given that each Titan with only three exceptions are linked to Ancient Babylon and Aztec culture (also the Director is a massive Epic of Gilgamesh fanboy). We also have three references in the Scorpion-Men.
A bit of guess work points to it being each Titan is the earliest form of that myth (ie Bunyip was an eel or starfish and Sekhmet was someone else).
the whole thing is a clusterfeck cause everyone is stuck on modern interpretations forced by media and crap from the church... Tiamat never had more then one head and wasn't a Dragon, she is a Serpent or Griffin type creature.. or Baphomet being a devil, it was a pagan god or reinterpretation of one that already existed.
I just watched KOTM again... Orochi doesn't do much moving. We have Planimals (animals with plant traits), so is it a swing to say it might not be an animal but a semi mobile Aniplant (plant with animal traits)/
I didn't see Orochi during KOTM, but he is rumored to have 8 heads I think? Considering Ghidorah is meant to be the only multi-headed Titan in the Monsterverse I'm convinced that Orochi must have 8 clubbed tails that could've easily been mistaken as heads by ancient humans.
The director did say he wanted to ensure the outlines matched the myth even if the creature was fully reimagined. And early spiders had HUGE mouth bits (also looked frickin scary! Picture below)[[Link title]]
Also they had huge feelers called pedipalps that look like limbs so that’s six limps up in the air and as a human I would not stick around the second I saw something that size let alone count the legs or heads.
Otherwise... I’m at a loss on Orochi until they show something
They want people to engage and get interested in the Monsterverse but provide us with nothing. I'm dying to get my hands on the new comic and learn more about Camazotz so his page on here can finally get updated.
...I am zoning on that outpost, the markers are so big they already make pinpointing hard but here... we don't even have the slightest hint like with the others. I've tried juxtaposing images but the issue is I cant get two maps (a regular and Monarch one) that are the right sizes. I am kinda buring out here.
Can they just update something so those of us with nothing to do during this outbreak have something to occupy us??
I didn't even know there was an outpost in Colombia.
I was just thinking though that at least we have a pretty good idea of what Quetzalcoatl looks like. That bipedal lizard bird-looking Titan on the wall with Behemoth in the beginning of KOTM. I really dig it's design.
By the way, how's the outbreak where you live? Do they have you in lockdown?
The post office is closed bad... so ghost town, but i live deep in the woods so I should be okay..
Yup, thats Quetz and I adore the fact it has some hummingbird in there (maybe) as his brother is a hummingbird in the actual myth, his bird is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resplendent_quetzal and various other birds, he is the wind god after all... tornadoes they mentioned in the movie likely were his doing.
Its a natural pyramid with old tunnels carved into it... and nearby is a crocodile statue and a mysterious stone bowl that may have been for sacrifices...
And that brings us to the Camian Supreme God as a possibility;
I've also been thinking about how convenient it is that, with the exception of the MUTOs, each Titan is the last of their kind. Like maybe there could be a second Behemoth outpost in another rain forest somewhere, or maybe multiple Quetz outposts in the Andes mountains, or several Rodan outposts in dormant volcanos since that's where his species apparently likes to make nests. That or at least I hope we see multiple of one Titan when they explore the hollow Earth in the GvK.
But as for this Colombia outpost, do we know if there is even a crocodilian Titan on record?
That's why I brought it up, in several instances we see MesoAmerican statues of what everyone assumes is Godzilla but could be someone else. The fact we have absolutely nothing on it may mean that they are keeping it under wraps as a spoiler maybe? I mean it could literally be anything at this rate. Thing is that there is very much a running theme of Titans having two aspects, Babylonian and MesoAmerican, with a few exceptions until we get more on those. So whoever it is maybe follows the theme or doesn't. The big issue is I had thought Leviathan filled the crocodilian myth as all of those myths call crocodilian entities "Great Serpents" or "Great Fish" interchangeably.
I am for now just calling it Sargon as we have that convenient placeholder on hand... we still don't know if it was a translation error or what for how we got that name but might as well put it to use for the time being.
The species thing makes the entire thing so much scarier and cooler! Also tragic when one dies... except Ghidorah, he ain't one of ours!
Yeah I'm hearing those rumors but I know it started on reddit so until Legendary says so I'll take it with a grain of salt. There are talks of a quick back pedal on films and reshowing some from last year so the film industry doesn't take a major hit.
Something I forgot existed... its the last home of the Spiney Tree Lobster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dryococelus_australis) that the entire species lives on a single bush (though recent sightings seem to indicate they do explore) on this small rock in the ocean. This is the one island I don't want to be a Titan resting place...
I was just thinking about the possibility of a fish Titan. I mean if the x-ray is true and Bunyip is an eel-like Titan I guess we have one.
Also it's amazing how the Spiney Tree Lobster evolved exclusively on that island, kinda like the numerous different Galapogos Tortoise species and their respective islands. All nature needs is some a little space and time.
Actually they evolved on the nearby Lord Howe Island, rats from a shipwreck wiped them out. Nobody knows how they got to Balls Pyramid, but they are being bred succesfully in captivity.
Yeah a fish Titan is a cool concept and we do already know they can be locked into an enviorment like Leviathan was to the Ocean, in the novel they mention that besides Levi there are other aquatic Titans.
So Abaddon in its original myth from Hebrew text is a Realm of Destruction, not an actual entity and no association with locusts.
The creature with a name of a place akin to hell lives in Devil's Tower... we may have over thought the whole name thing for it. There is a strong possibility that Abaddon wasn't well recorded in myth or its a newly found Titan maybe? We do know after 2014 they started finding them thanks to Ford's bioacoustics discovery. They even admit in the Novel they only found Kraken because if it's bioacoustic signature... and he wasn't even bothering to hide much outside of pretending to be a rock hugging a submarine.
Kraken reminds me a of an old horror movie called Octopus... to an alarming degree, even has a submarine involved.
I mean one of the rules is they are named after a mythological being but how it first appeared in myth, and ignoring any European/Christianity based rewrite... as Christianity set about destroying and demonizing every and any other religion or mythology (that’s historical fact but it seems to piss folks off when I mention it). Europeans when in new places set about tailoring local myths to things they wanted or to fit the Christian viewpoint...
like Bunyip in its actual myth is an eel, because some guy took large mammal fossils and a few aboriginal people he payed off to say yes about it, modern people think Bunyip is a seal.
The key is Universal Myths and the oldest depictions. Like Scorpion-men, who appeared in cultures from Asia to the Middle East, and even show up in MesoAmerican myth despite those cultures never coming in contact. Those Scorpion-men are always protectors of humanity and the two oldest depictions are from Aztec and Babylonian myth.
Or Great Horned Serpent archetypes, which appear in Native American and Africa... and almost every other civilization, the oldest myths are from Babylon.
That’s the basic way it seems to work... Until Abaddon and Baphomet because those are faaaaar more complicated given one at it oldest is a location in Jewish myth and the other is probably made up by the church entirely to get rid of the Templars as Baphomet is a corruption of the old French name for Mohammed. Baphomet is the hardest to figure out name wise because it’s been so overused for things like depictions of Satan despite being totally unrelated and because it was used in accusations against the Templar’s by Inquisitors (who made up charges all the time).
A slight issue with that is the context and that he has never done that, Dougherty tends to keep his head straight. I mean he does say at the very start he likes dropping hints that are either obvious or subtle. Also Biollante has 8 vines... maybe Orochi is her species name? It's really confusing that he said that like that...
this is though the same guy who dropped multiple hints of little things that always turned out true or lead to something major. He does drop a few other hints and details about things that we solved already, which means we are on the right track but we are at a point that we are sorta stuck.
According to him MonarchSciences was meant to start unlocking stuff a few weeks after the movie, the end credits hint at two weeks. Which means yeah Legendary forgot MS exists...
I mean if Biollante was actually in the movie they definetely would have used her in the marketing or drop some sort of hint during the movie. They wouldn't have a creature as famous as Biollante in the movie and just reduce her role to a Titan off-screen. Plus I don't think Legendary has the rights to Biollante anyways.
But if she somehow was in the movie, Orochi is probably a candidate. I also don't think she would be a rose hybrid either.
Well Legendary had the rights to the big Rodan and Mothra prior to the 2014 dvd release and nobody knew until it was leaked and it wasn't confirmed until KSI. Biollante is like Destroyah, an endgame character you bring in for a big moment..
And they may not have her planned out fully yet so like with Ghidorah they would only hint she was around, honestly there are many hints for it, references to planimals, roses, nature regrowing, and Titan cloning. So it could be the endgame scenario is a Destoroyah and Biollante situation.
I mean seriously Destoroyah is being made too obvious, like a brick to the face. While Biollante hints are blink and miss... so its more they left open a slot for her or she is already here and we didn't know.
I thought Legendary announced on their twitter when they got the rights to Rodan, Mothra, and Ghidorah?
But yeah, I mean if they want to head in that direction and explore aliens and Titan DNA more I could definetely see that as a set up to Biollante, Gigan and Destroyah. Though from what we know so far about GvK, it looks like Mecha Godzilla is going to be appearing first.
I mean at this rate even Jet Jaguar is just out in the waiting room waiting to be called in for his audition! It’s funny cause I keep thinking about Showa and Heisei... Like this is the Monsterverse Showa with all the callbacks and in jokes about that... next comes darker Heisei type films...
KOTM threw so many things at us out of nowhere. Like, we go from knowing nothing about the Titans in the 2014 to suddenly, BOOM, aliens, black market for Titan DNA, dozens of outposts, oxygen destroyer, Godzilla can somehow get power-ups from nukes and Mothra ash, etc. Not only that, but they throw all this at us without bothering to explain any of it. Looks like it is just turning into a remastered Showa era.
Figured out the reason they used that name for the scorpion as a placeholder.... its an archeological joke as Masada was the finding place of an important find.
 A perfectly perserved Date Palm seed given a very specific name. So its literally a misleading joke. Also found the guy who made the concepts and he is official and the Scorpion is NOT Methuselah who was always a four legged mountain...
He wanted to make it look more mammal-like.... all I got before the site shut me our (you get a scroll limit and it locks you out) is it was for 'for American one titan you see in film' So either yes its who I think or that translation was off by a looot, I got perma locked out on my junker computer for spam reloads and shutting off the internet so it wouldn't load a login page...and no way in the 7 hells am i going on that site with my good computer.
It's almost a year since KOTM came out... this and next month will make it a full year. Then 6 more months to go.... A year and a half, and nothing.
This is extremely frustrating, they promised world building and extra stuff and we got nothing.
Oh right so there's gonna be two GVK related comics and an escape room. No word on the comic series yet but that's mostly cause all activity is dead due to this virus thing. Hilarious that the main enemy in the comic is a bat...
They said the comic would come out in spring, so im guessing that means anytime within the next 2 months. Aftershock came out in May of last year so maybe it's gonna be May after all. I also found it ironic that Camazotz is a bat. Not a good time to be put into the spotlight...
I mean despite the resemblance, Camazotz isn't simply just a giant bat. He is bat-like, but his unique demonic design makes him look totally different at the same time. That should be enough of a difference. If people don't want to buy the book simply because a bat-like creature is in it, then people are even more paranoid and sheepish than I thought.
Did some color adjustments and well it's in a cave and you can make it out much better... my sister is a photographer and told me to adjust in order- Sharpness, Sepia, Temperature (until details pop), and then adjust accordingly...
I did the others but nothing popped out so I'll keep futzing with them. That small arm has a hook at the end like M3... and the arrow shaped head armor. I mean it LOOKS that way... any thoughts? Also that bloody rectangle causing so much trouble is a building most likely.
My issue there is they didn't do hard retcons, just soft ones... I mean even the official prequel has Godzilla hunting Jinshin and they breifly touch on that in the Novel. They actually didn't do away with the lore from 2014, just nudged it a bit here and there to fit the other Titans and to expand the lore from what it was.
Honestly I think they may have soft retconned the species name without saying anything ... like Jinshin is now the "Godzilla" to his species (a unique individual member of the species). I mean they referred to it like an individual in the novel and flat out call the MUTOs just "the female/male MUTO" and never Jinshin-Mushi. I mean they don't name drop Abaddon at all but again this is a theory here... but Abaddon is a pretty good name for them, MUTO are like locusts (yes this breaks part of my theory); explosive breeding, consume everything even each other, destroy civilizations, and they are insectile creatures.
So there is a big chance that the MUTO are now Titanus Abaddon and Jinshi-Mushi was just the Alpha of the species until it's death.
Well MUTO Prime is just the full-grown adult version of a female MUTO and Jinshin Mushi is it’s species name. The MUTOs are literally it’s offspring so it only makes sense that they are also considered Jinshin Mushi. It honesty may be laziness on the writers part, kinda like how they lazily classified all the Titans as “Titanus” instead of giving them unique species names.
Found this guy, Slavs are native to the Urals where Amhuluk is.
He is Located in under the Manpupner Rock Formation said to be a slumbering horse or ram beast, cause the tops look like hooves. Also the lady in that row of concepts has a back arch very close in slope to the plateau the formation is on...
A pangolin Titan would be interesting to see. Now that we somewhat know what Nozuki looks like, what do you think of him? Sayaka says his role is very minor and that he’s killed by Kong rather quickly.
Well on one hand it 100% means we have only one snake guy and Nozuki is it... honestly it’s making me think of the very similar cobra from the Zilla series that had the Quetz that looks like what they made MV Quetz look like. I like it... I honestly really do cause it’s the closest we are gonna get to Godzilla’s snake friends Yellowback and Rattler from the old books.
It remains to be seen on that, I hope it isn’t a one and done because then the toy feels weird... but I am betting it has a function at the very least to the plot.
Looks like he may be a relative of the Skullcrawlers too. Same skull-like face with heat-seeking pits and both are serpentine creatures, or it could simply be mimicry. But yeah, lets hope its not a throwaway creature and that he puts up a good fight against Kong.
Oh trust me.... you know I am! I am betting Nozuki is from India most likely.
Problem is they may have a name from a different myth they inspired, though playbook seems to be no three or four letter names so we have that.
Australian Titan #2 is gonna be a pain. Alaska is one possible origin of the Wendigo myth and... about 10 hairless doglike monsters... but since it seems Margygr was found in the Arctic Pacific region... maybe one of her kind?
Moving to African mythology.... good lord that's a whole lotta ground to cover... narrowing it Down would be nice but it's way too blurry.
And South America now has two Titans I gotta figure out....
Did you tune in to the watchalong? I wasn't able to be there for 2014 even though it's my favorite but I'm gonna try to be there for Skull Island. Also, Legendary will surely be revealing more info on their twitter.
So found something interesting. Just gonna copy pasta it.
Look up horned dung beetles, those guys were super sacred back in the day... also in profile many with their wings out flying over would look like a flying goat to a human running for their life. Also there seems to be a large Tumulus (burial mound or religious mound) in the middle of the New and Old areas of the ruin... and that is how dung beetle nests look. So going on that its possible Baphomet was in a larva form gestating into its adult self prior to waking up...
Funnily enough I managed to ID the concept art grub in the art book... its hard cause beetle larva are all similar, but I actually found the picture they used.... https://www.mindenpictures.com/cache/pcache2/00444414.jpg its a dung beetle larva (they edited off the parasitic wasp). To see what I mean flip the image so the head is at the top and grap the art book.
As much as I hate to admit it, I think they've abandoned MS for the time being. Not a single update since KOTM's release... I hope I'm wrong and they start updating it again, but who knows at this point?
True! Jeez only two days to go! I wonder though what they are gonna reveal cause KSI had less MV stuff... unless they drop that Margygr was the one who destroyed the Lawton and not Godzilla? I always doubted it was Godzilla as it's not something that he is characterized as doing..,
I did have a running theory cause the slash was from a three clawed hand that it was a Skullcrawler... Cause Margygr is said to have been long dead and nothing official shows it with arms.
Also from that map of compromised outposts we see that a similar 'activity' indicator to SI is up in the Bering Sea... so we may have more then one Island...
They are probably gonna reveal more specific height estimations for Kong and the Skullcrawlers and some behind-the-scenes stuff. I think we are gonna get the most out of the KOTM Watchalong since it's the most recent installation and more up to date with the lore.
I did... honestly it wasn't nearly as exciting as the 2014 one and I think the director dozed off after a bit cause he stopped tweeting right after Marlow showed up or after that. No real Monsterverse major plot points...
I wonder if Moby Dick under a different name could be a Titan? That would be awesome and it would fit any in the Pacific Ocean as thats where the real events that inspired the story took place.
Yes there was a Whale that went and obliterated a ship, an 88ft Whaler and acorrding to the survivors it was just a smidge smaller at maybe 85ft which would be the largest Sperm Whale ever... and it wasn't the only one described that big, just most Whalers had the common sense not to go after them and hunt the small ones.
On the other hand... Moby is called Leviathan more then once, so maybe it is a whale??
Can't wait to see if we get answers in a few days!
LOL! Glad you noticed it too, otherwise everyone would've been fine with some random fake height being on the MUTO page. gojicenter is notorious for its random-ass size statistics and its actually sad how many people believe them.
Yeah I just have three I cannot figure out since the areas they are in are small... one seems to be in or near Moscow, the other is near Greece maybe, and the last one is on the northeast coast of North America...
Which is weird cause it seems to be near NY or further north... it's blurry enough I can't figure it out
The same guy just realized their Baphomet is just a Monster Hunter monster....
I mean if they are hinting at Levi being its Fish self in older mythology and want to keep the Nessie part an Anglerfish is a good bet at least.... its anoying cause Levi is the one we have the least on and everyone jumped on the Nessie wagon but its possible that Nessie is just Leviathan's "giant spider" (the spider in Mothra's temple)
Unless it's a gilled pliosaur with anglerfish bits...
it's irking me because a while Godzilla has gills that one makes sense... a long neck and gills wouldn't work in any biology... and if Monarch is using images of the fish depiction and not of Nessie or reptile versions then that points at it being the fish.
That's kinda freaky... what's the chances that they picked those locations?
I mean the hoodoos aren't as well known these days as they once were and have never been used as a location as far as I know. Strokkur as well is a very specific place to pick... and I really hope they are outposts!
I would bet that Trolls or Frost Giants are something like Skullcrawlers, a species that has been contained to a single area. I mean in that comprimised outpost map there IS an indicator for activity similar to Skull Island's up in the far north out of sight past northeastern Russia...
In Troll Hunters they have the Jotunn species trapped by power lines in the far north where its a no fly zone.
I feel like Mike was f**king with us and thus everything was wrong so all that work I put in was utterly useless so its all moot to keep it up. After all that... after every little thing and what I found it was probably all wrong because they trolled us, cool I was wrong but I think I am done with it cause I wasted a lot of time.
Dude, everything you did was very worthwhile and you should definitely keep working! I’ll admit, the more I looked at the pictures and myths you showed me, I was actually starting to believe that MUTO 3 may have been Abaddon, and we both know how vehemently against the idea I was. We now know that MUTO 3 is not Abaddon, but your work with the outposts, correlation of myths, and the other Titans is spot on. We are about to get tons of info tomorrow and we can continue building off of what we get.
I figured that they visited this site frequently because if you actually read into their posts, they get a lot of their info from this wikia. The art thing doesn't really concern me, its more so the random size stats and them treating unofficial things as canon.
More recently they are refusing to believe that Methuselah is 322 ft. A few months ago they claimed that Rodan is actually like 240 ft or something if he stands up on his two legs, when its pretty clear that this incarnation of Rodan needs to use his wings as forelimbs to even stand properly. That's like standing a dog up on its hind legs and saying "wow look how tall he actually is".
Yes I did... Methuselah is a good boy. And his nickname is my dogs name!
Scylla is a freaky badass and I live it... also the connection to Easter Island is amazing!! Hey if you like documentaries and have Netflix, Wild Pacific is a good watch... Easter Island is a tragedy story of what happens with over-exploitation.
“The working theory about Godzilla was that he’d been around back then - or at least his species had - stomping through the late Permian until the massive extinction at the end of the period. Ninety percent of everything had died, most likely due to an asteroid similar to the one that had wiped out the dinosaurs. It also left the radiation levels on the Earths surface too meager to provide the massive reptile with enough sustenance. So he retreated to the depths, where he could subsist on radiation leaking up from the Earths core. Other Titans of the period had also gone into hibernation, or what have you.”
If you got the book on you can you grab a screenshot of where Mark is looking at the xrays (and the page number) and it's basically said that most of them are insect or reptile (and probably anything in that vast ballpark).
I would post a screenshot but I’m technologically inept lol. But I did find what you were looking for. Page 51
“Mark continued through the data, to a set of x-rays. Of monsters. More than a few. They were all over the place; some had primarily exoskeletons with some interior buttressing. Others were more like Godzilla, vertebrates. To his zoologist’s eye, no two of them looked like the same species.”
I never expected Legendary to do much with the other Titans to be honest. Everything about KOTM was just purely marketing, including the “lots of monsters” part. They just needed a bunch of monsters to be ravaging the earth, they didn’t actually care about showing or doing anything with them.
I feel the same way as you. I AT LEAST expected the comic at this point but no word on that either. No GvK teaser or trailer either.
If you need any help I'm game for talking about mythology! Also brainstorming is fun.
Yes but he is either trolling or serious... it conflicts with information we have and is what it says on Wikipedia... or it's true. We just got to wait and see but I'm done trying to figure out what the Titans are, i am just too tired and all this conflicting information and mythology stuff is frustrating.
It's not the fact what I researched being wrong that's getting me but the fact they set up one thing and say another... or straight up are ignoring some myths. Devils Tower has always been associated with bears, scorpions don't show up in Native American mythology much or at all. Meaning it's about rule of cool not respecting the mythology.... which is what is bumming me out cause they set it up as respectful to the myths of old and such, which never happens as more modern depictions are always used (like Tiamat with 5 heads because of DnD).
Them revealing anything seems unlikely until after GvK if at all. I mean one thing that is standing out for me is he dropped the concept art during the Watchalong... why not name drop it then? There was no need not to...
also that same concept art batch had Kraken in it and he never posted it which was weird to me. I just want a visual final confirmation of all the Titans so we can stop running in circles.
I have no issues on it being a scorpion... it's just they referred to the Bear myth at least once in the novel and the Aqra myth (there is even an art piece in KOTM) as well. Meaning the set up expectation was a Destroyer Bear and Protector Scorpion... but that bit of world building is getting ignored and that's what irks me... I feel they are going to retcon all the Easter Eggs and world building now...
But a forgotten detail of the Golem myth is that as long as it is in contact with the earth it will keep growing until it's head scrapes the heavens. That seemed to OP so I gave it a limiter not in size but how long it can hold a form.
Also the idea of Atlantis getting up and going to fight something was in my head. Best part I feel is that this Titan was sitting on some little girls desk.... and it's entire reason for waking was entirely on that one little kid.
also the implication of it having a hive mind in my head means it remembers her...
I just love birds... I feed the local birds in my area.
theu trust me enough that if I hold out my hand there will be at least four birds perched on it within a minute... once it was an owl... big barn owl, did you know their talons are so sharp you don't feel them go in?
seems my area will be open in a week or two as well. Let's hope all goes well...
Everything’s great! I didn’t expect a second prequel comic, but I’m not complaining! We got a full view of camazotz and my only real complaint is his wings, but everything looks promising. If the second prequel comic is about Godzilla I wonder who he’ll be fighting?
I hope its not by teams Destroyers vs Protectors... Scylla seems to be loyal to Godzilla as she seems to be fixing the planet as oppoused to targeting humanity, i have a theory that the Titans that show up in Boston not only answer Ghidorah's call be were already headed there to help Godzilla or "The Not Titan" (ORCA) that was calling. Given ORCA was made with human wavelengths, this has some interesting implications.
I also think there are Sub-Alphas, like Tiamat and Typhon who have their own "Packs" that are the trouble makers. I mean Tiamat is in myth the mother of several creatures the Titans inspired (thier Babylonian conterparts anyway); Scorpion Titan, Margygr, Nozuki, Sekhmet, and Amhuluk (if he is who I think he is). Only one who probably isnt on Tiamats side is the Scorpion... the Scorpion creature she birthed in myth was allies with humanity against her.
Yeah they say "Really Fun" about her scene... not scary and if its a Godzilla focus only comic (they say its all about Godzilla and his emotions/instinctual values (I NEED MORE ON THAT!)....so cool scene for her may imply her scene is in a good light not bad one.
Maybe she aids the big guy cause lets face it... he IS OLD, they even drew him with prehistoric sea reptiles to show so.
Also sounds like we are getting MORE NEW TITANS cause one artist mentions he created some... and was able to bring some to life... so its likely we are getting more and he drew up the ones we didnt see in KOTM
I think it’s gonna be really interesting to see Godzilla in prehistoric times, long before humans. The amount of species he has watched come and go and all the extinction events he has survived. I hope they release more details soon. Supposedly these comics are supposed to come out in the fall I heard.
The way I see it is that the Titans that showed up in Boston were the only ones that cared enough to answer the ORCA/Ghidorah/Godzilla, while all the others just went rogue. (Or more likely it was for budget issues). So maybe he’ll be fighting or gaining the respect of these rogue Titans in the comic.
Yeah budget issues and the in universe explaination is probably went rouge. Its pretty much a given he will be having to "clean house" a bit. The Titans who came to Boston are likely his main gang... as they actually showed up and acknowledged his authority.
In other news... I found a working explination for Tiamat and Sekhmet being so alike and why the various bear myths got brought up.
Well an explination that allows a bear, lion, and legged serpent titan (Sekhmet is the first two).
If you were a Native American seeing an African Lion or something like it for the first time... what is the closest thing it would look like? The giant bear in their myth even had long legs and a tail... something bears do not (also was furless and lions have very short fur, though it also had rock like "scales" or hair clumps).
Tiamat was a horned Lion-dragon with wings or not-horned Dragon-lion in myth... or a horned serpent with two legs. The human form has no place here, so ignoring that. Well the first two in that set and the last one are Tiamat, the second two are her kids Uridimmu (lion) and Mushussu (dragon).
Well the artbook is still coming in November it seems... and we might get a teaser during the online ComicCon in July or sooner if rumors of a sneak peek July 17th are true. I really hope they start some hype build up soon.
the comics also seem to still be scheduled for this fall as well.
Probably will but if they dont well... thats gonna be fun.
The issue with book delays is those are harder to do especially with sites like Amazon and B&N, cause unlike movies, books get a shipment slot that is complicated to reschedule. I am absolutly sure it WILL get a delay so not to be out before the movie but it will take longer to happen. The comics will likely not be delayed as they shouldn't spoil the movie much... though they might spread them out more so one hits this year and the other next year.
I really hope that if the artbook is not delayed that people dont spoil too much, the only thing i'll check is if the index mentions Titan Designs and that is the only part ill check until after the movie.
I really hope marketing starts at some point so we get something to hold the hype over to next year... I mean it's an understandable delay for the movie given how crap this year has been and because things keep getting worse...
Basically yeah... oh three heads well this guy got 8!!
I feel mike was too much of a Toho fanboy and decided to drop ever little scale of realism from the first two movies in favor of full fantasy. The whole reason the MV was so amazing was because they actually bothered with real biology and mythology, "I want you to look at these creatures and think, yeah nature created that" was the whole idea...
I mean I'll still watch the movies and all cause I am a huge Godzilla fan but it's sad to lose that aspect of it. I hope Wingard drags it back to what was the original idea.
Exactly. Why are people tripping over a three headed monster when there’s one with 8. Completely ridiculous.
I feel the same way too. That’s actually why I loved the Monsterverse so much. It actually made it seem possible that the creatures were apart of nature and existed in their own ecosystem at some point. Now all that means nothing because showa fanboy Mike D wants them to be literal, mystical gods. I’ve said this since day one.
Well I'm going to be stepping out of making anymore theories and just wait until something happens... no reason to make myself look like any bigger of an idiot then I already have at this point.
I tried.. I was wrong... my track record is shot and apparently this was not the series that I could finally apply my knowledge of things to. So unless Wingard retcons somethings or I somehow got one right... I'm out.
Obviously I'll still be here but not gonna be as active unless someone calls me in for something.
Thanks, sorry I'm kinda tiptoeing here these days... after that whole mess things feel like it's gonna be random what the other Titans are or they will be exactly what the myth says.. which is slightly sad to me,
I’m here, yup I’m good, I hope the same for you. I wouldn’t really put much energy into locations and such. It’s clear that they didn’t put any effort and didn’t think much about them, and just stuck them on a map to show that there are multiple Titans. For all we know, we won’t ever see the Titans that came from these unknown outposts if they are even considered canon.
dude, linden is one of the smartest fellas here, he has eyes of hollow earth stone, as in the same material that was used to make the cities, he has great eyes, why must you let him down so?, he can decode anything about us titans, and I don't even have to tell him, just give him a chance incase he is right after all, sure abaddon might not be a MUTO but he might be a MUTO esque creature.
Everyone is free to speculate about the Titans, but it makes the most sense for us to wait until Legendary releases actual canon information instead of overanalyzing a bunch of foggy x-rays and rushing to conclusions.
I don't see it at all. Plus the legend of Abaddon doesn't even match that of a MUTO. We already know from Godzilla: Aftershock that MUTOs and MUTO Prime were called "Earthquake Beetles" by ancient humans, not long-legged bears.
did you forget the fact: the myth behind devils tower is that there was a giant monster bear of sorts that's the reason why the mountain thing has those rough edges of sorts, it could be a creature related to the jinshin-mushi, but decided to evolve differently from his/her bretherin and decided to live in America, we titans are confusing creatures, I get it, but just because we seem different, doesn't mean u need to stick to basics.
think about it, all of us titans are diverse, abaddon could of stemmed from the jinshin mushi, and could of evolved differently to become one with America's fauna, we titans aren't basic, we master evolution. we titans are a mystery, and linden seems to enjoy us.
Yes, I've also seen Liden's "MUTO 3 is to the MUTOs as what Bonobos are to Chimps" multiple times, and again, its pure speculation and more than likely false.
MUTOs have a very simple lifecycle, kill a Titan host, lay eggs and reproduce, rinse and repeat. Theres no reason a group of MUTOs would suddenly branch off from the parasitic lifestlye and still be morphologically identical to their relatives. Godzilla: Aftershock explained the entire history of the MUTOs, and nowhere does it say that the MUTOs have docile, non-parasitic relatives. Remember that a female MUTO lays hundreds of eggs at one time, so MUTO 3 is more than likely just another female from a random clutch or the offspring of a MUTO Prime.
I mean, if you are asking why the monsters don't have the same abilities as in old movies, the answer is simply because it was a choice made by the director, Michael Dougherty, to not give them old abilities.
Firstly, not all creatures look the same. A turkey and an ostrich are both birds, but they are clearly very different from each other in terms of size and appearance. Same goes with the monsterverse Titans.
Also, Mothra, Rodan, Godzilla, etc now look different because Legendary wanted to change and refresh their designs into something more fitting for modern day audiences. This includes removing some of the "ranged attacks" that you keep mentioning.
Like I said before, all animals evolve differently depending on their habitat and lifestyle. Rodan and Mothra are flying creatures, so their species evolved to be much smaller and nimble, which makes powered flight much easier and less energy consuming. God