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  • Project Predacon
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    20:46, January 13, 2017

    listen,this ridiculous notion that king kong won against Godzilla is ridiculous.1st of all the movie is what I call "kong in name only".how did kong become 164 feet tall from his usual 50 or 60 feet tall?? then he is given another magical power of being revived or made stronger from electricity?? cmon!!if people had ONLY seen the Japanese version of the movie you would have thought it was a tie and you know it.kong had to pop his head up because apes as far as I know can't live underwater.as far as I knew from the 2 previous G-man films,g-man lives in the ocean and sleeps in the ocean so when I finally saw the Japanese version I was shocked at how much Universal "screwed" G-man.adding all kinds of scenes and the worst most disgusting thing they did was purposely delete Godzilla's roar and just keep kongs roar and some dip*** saying "we all wish kong a safe trip home.neither kong or Godzilla in the Japanese version was a "good guy".they wanted them to destroy each other in the Japanese version so they could save their country!!! I don't cre what toho said!!!! they would have sold their mothers to make more kk vs Godzilla movies!!or more kong movies.plus of course they wanted to appease American audiences because that's whers toho was making their money!!! cmon think!!! the biggest reason this is even a discussion is because of that stupid Monsters! mag article saying "oh yeah the English version kong wins,the Japanese version G-man wins.that's what got this baloney going.actually and the people who run the website know this.originally toho had pretty much finished the film WITH GODZILLA KILLING KONG IN THE CLIFF SCENE!!!....FACT!!!.WHAT happens is kong falls off the cliff and G-man doesn't.then G-man blasts kong with his radiation blast and destroys kong(who is holding onto a tree growing on the outside of the cliff)that is a fact!!! you can see the pic for yourself.go to google images.put in "king kong vs Godzilla 1962" and about 6 rows down 3 pics from the left you will see a pic of G-man bending over and shooting his radiation beam at kong.its there literally in black and white.the pic is a vertical rectangular pic.universal said no to this version because they thought audiences in America would not like to see a Japanese monster beating their american ape w magical non-canon powers by the way being killed.kong was America's favorite overgrown ape.who always died.they also took out akira ifukubes soundscore because universal thought it was too "oriental" ha ha sounding.these are all facts.you unfortunately cannot get the Japanese version of kk vs Godzilla in America.if you buy the 60 dollar one from amazon imo your wasting your money because although it is the original Japanese version it has no English subs.but at least you can hear Godzilla's roar at the end.i just got my bluray Japanese version from showavideo.com.i had already had the original in dvd.it is the most altered and purposely "let's screw G-man at the end movie" out of the 29 toho movies ever!!!!.just because G-man doesn't pop his head up he loses??!! ha ha ok.he lives in the ocean!!!! hellooo.godzilla can fight pretty well underwater as seen in ebirah and in vs mothra 93.he fights Battra underwater and picks up Battra by the tail and slams him like 4 times on the ocean floor.plus as seen in said movie he can shoot his radiation blast underwater.how did kong supposedly kill G-man underwater??? did he give him an mma chokehold??cmon guys really!! Godzilla is "stealth" underwater.kong couldn't do ANYTHING ON LAND TO HURT GODZILLA BUT UNERWATER IN THE OCEAN HE KILLS GODZILLA??? HA HA RIGHT!!GODZILLA KICKS HIS A** ALL OVER THE PLACE IN THE MOVIE.when they 1st met what happened.Kong retreats.what happens until kongs made up non canon magical power kicks in?? G-man drop kicks him and then G-man pretty much has him for dead.then uhh ohhh magic time on a sunny day.kongs fake power comes in the form of an electrical storm which just happens to hit kong in the face 3 times and even then after that as Lazarus rises from the dead ha ha joke,he doesn't really even hurt G-man.but in Godzilla's realm:the ocean im supposed to believe kong killed G-man fighting underwater for 40 seconds while water is just gushing up kongs nose??? or is kong squeezing his nose and killing the "king of the monsters"with one hand.of course not.when kong finally pops his head up after 40 seconds(yes I counted) he looks like he is 30 miles out to sea making a beeline home.so I am supposed to believe that in 40 seconds kong kills Godzilla and then pops his head up 30 miles out to sea going straight home??? you can believe that.why do you think Universal altered the dialogue and added scenes at the end saying things like "Godzilla has disappeared without a trace" and then PURPOSELY DELETES GODZILLA'S ROAR??? HA HA YOU KNOW WHY.also toho got a break when they collaborated with Rankin/Bass.the creators of the king kong cartoon in the 60's.just about 3 or 4 years later the 160 or so feet tall kong HAS SHRUNK!!!!! WOW HE'S BACK TO BEING 60 FEET TALL?? WHAT HAPPENED?? HE ALSO HAS NO MAGICAL POWERS!!! AWWW POOR KONG.LISTEN IN ALL SERIOUSNESS THAT'S WHY I CALL THAT 62 MOVIE A "KONG IN NAME ONLY" MOVIE.THEY HAD TO GIVE KONG "MAGIC" TO EVEN BE ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD AS G-MAN.GODZILLA HAS NEVER EVER BEEN KILLED BY ANOTHER MONSTER IN ANY TOHO MOVIE.HE MET HIS DEMISE IN DESTROYAH BECAUSE HIS "CORE"WAS MELTING.

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    • As apparent as it is how much you don't want to believe it, Toho has stated King Kong was the victor. Neglecting official word from the company who made the film would just be denial.

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    • Why do people still get so upset about this? It's been over 50 years, and Toho confirmed that Kong was always meant to be the victor. King Kong was more popular than Godzilla at the time, and Godzilla was still considered a villain, so it made sense for Kong to be the winner. Toho and Universal knew that a Kong and Godzilla crossover would make a ton of money and be a great idea, so they made the necessary adjustments to Kong so the fight could actually happen. Toho was 100% completely okay with Godzilla losing. It's not like Godzilla was even killed. He was either knocked unconscious or trapped underwater, with only Kong emerging. I like Godzilla more than Kong, but I'm not somehow bitter that Toho's version of Kong defeated Godzilla over 50 years ago. Godzilla has lost to Mothra multiple times, and no one seems to care about that. People just need to let go and accept that Godzilla officially lost a fight with a powered-up version of King Kong in a film made over 50 years ago.

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    • to les studios if you had only seen the Japanese version and had no clue about the political comments from toho and the universal screw job version,being totally objective now.what would you think.i will be totally objective w you.my answer would be that they both had enough and Godzilla swam away and kong is swimming back home.period.i would think it was a tie.if I had only seen the universal version I would think well since they emphasize "Godzilla has disappeared without a trace"and the biggest point in the end is you only hear kongs roar I would think kong won.but I would also think hmmm?i have seen the 1st 2 G-man movies and Godzilla lives in the ocean.so I wouldn't be sure.just being honest.now can you answer my question objectively??if you had ONLY seen the Japanese version only and did not hear the comments from toho and didn't see the universal version,what would you think???

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    • I mean les,what did kong do to Godzilla underwater that he couldn't do on land??????????you do agree that Godzilla got the best of him on land and what about kong with all these non canon kong powers.namely being almost as tall as Godzilla and having the special power of electricity???

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    • to KING OF THE MONSTERS.... GO TO GOOGLE AND SEARCH FOR "MONSTROUS.COM,THE REAL STORY BEHIND KK VS GODZILLA.DON'T PUT MONSTROUS.COM IN THE URL.JUST SIMPLY PUT IT IN THE REGULAR SEARCH BOX.WHERE AND TELL ME WHERE TO FIND THE STATEMENT THAT TOHO SAID "KONG WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO BE THE VICTOR?? DIDN'T YOU READ THE FACT THAT TOHO'S ORIGINAL "ORIGINAL" VERSION HAD GODZILLA DESTROYING AND BEATING KONG???? HELLOOOO!!!! IT'S IN THE BOOK CALLED GODZILLA 2 1962-1964.IT'S ON EBAY BEING SOLD FOR 350 DOLLARS.IN THAT BOOK IT SAYS WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU AND GO TO GOOGLE AND PUT IN THE SEARCH BOX KING KONG VS GODZILLA 1962,GO TO IMAGES AND YOU WILL SEE 6 ROWS DOWN 3 PICS FROM THE LEFT THE PIC OF THE KILL SHOT BY GODZILLA BENDING FORWARD SHOOTING KONG WITH HIS RADIATION BEAM BUT UNIVERSAL WOULD NOT EXCEPT A JAPANESE MONSTER (THE AMERICAN MOVIEGOER) BEATING A AMERICAN MONSTER.WHY DO YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND THAT.SO YOUR ABSOLUTELY LYING WHEN YOU SAY ALL ALONG TOHO HAD ALWAYS MEANT TO HAVE KONG THE VICTOR.

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    • Monstrous.com is not at all a reliable source. I guarantee they made up 90% of that article to attract readers. Not to mention the site seems pretty sketchy and I'm worried it's going to give my computer a virus. It's just a nonsensical conspiracy theory. And that picture you keep talking about is just a production still from the film, not a "deletd scene" or "alternate ending." Toho always creates stills for their films featuring scenes that never occurred or were ever intended to be in the films. Most of them are just photoshopped anyway. You clearly just can't accept that Godzilla lost to Kong, so you're desperately searching for anything that says otherwise and misconstruing evidence. Just accept facts and stop being in denial. Seriously. And talking in ALL CAPS doesn't make your argument any stronger. It just makes you look desperate and immature.

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    • BY THE WAY "KING OF THE MONSTERS" YOUR STATEMENT THAT GODZILLA HAS LOST TO MOTHRA MULTIPLE TIMES IS ERRONEOUS.GODZILLA KILLED MOTHRA IN 1964.HE KILLED MOTHRA IN GMK AND HE KILLED MOTHRA IN TOKYO S.O.S.THE LARVAE WERE THE ONES THAT ENGULFED G-MAN IN 64 WITH THE CACOON "THREAD" AND G-MAN FELL IN THE WATER.IT ALSO HAPPENED IN S.O.S.THAT IS IT. PLUS G-MAN HAD TO FIGHT MECHA G AND MOTHRA.DO YOU REMEMBER THE MOVIE "INVASION OF THE ASTRO MONSTER"??WELL GODZILLA AND RODAN AFTER RODAN PICKED UP G-MAN AND THEY KNOCKED KING GHIDORAH IN THE OCEAN ONLY KG FLEW AWAY.MAYBE RODAN DROWNED??? BUT G-MAN SWAM AWAY.WHAT HAPPENED TO G-MAN IN THE MAGIC KONG MOVIE??? SO TOHO SAID KONG WAS THE WINNER(BECAUSE OF POLITICS)SO WHAT???ALL BECAUSE G-MAN DIDN'T POP HIS HEAD UP??CMON THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A RIDICULOUS ENDING.IT ENDED JUST FINE(THE JAP.VERS.)GODZILLA DID NOT LOSE AND HE DEFINITELY DID NOT DIE.HE FOUGHT AND KILLED MOTHRA 2 YEARS LATER!!!THE LARVAES WERE THE ONES WHO ENGULFED HIM IN THE "THREAD"OR WHATEVER THAT IS.WHY WOULD THE JAPANESE VERSION HAVE G-MAN ROAR IF G-MAN LOST???THIS WAS ALL BROUGHT ABOUT BY A STUPID RUMOR THAT WAS ADDRESSED YEARS LATER BY TOHO WHEN MONSTERS MAG PUT OUT THE ENGLISH VERSION VS THE JAP.VERS.SO YOUR RIDICULOUS COMMENT THAT TOHO ALWAYS MEANT FOR KONG TO BE THE VICTOR IS SILLY.ALSO IN G-MAN VS MOTHRA 93 GODZILLA WAS FIGHTING AGAINST MOTHRA AND BATTRA.OHHH I MEAN MAGIC MOTHRA WITH HER NEW RAYS FROM HER 2 ANTENNAI.WHEN MOTHRA WAS TALKING TO BATTRA THEY PICKED UP GODZILLA AND GODZILLA BLASTED BATTRA AND "LIGHTS OUT" LITERALLY AND GODZILLA DROPS IN THE OCEAN WITH A DEAD BATTRA.THEN MOSURA CREATED THIS YELLOW MAGIC CIRCLE WHICH AT LEAST IN THE JAPANESE VERSION I AM WATCHING RIGHT NOW NOT SURE WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT BUT DOES THAT MEAN GODZILLA WAS DEAD OR DEFEATED....NOPE.HE LIVES IN THE OOOCCCCEEEEAAAANNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALSO HE IS BACK IN THE NEXT MOVIE WHICH IM TOO LAZY TO LOOK AT MY COLLECTION BUT I THINK IT WAS GODZILLA VS MECHAGODZILLA I COULD BE WRONG.ALSO I JUST GOT THE MOVIE GHIDORAH THE 3 HEADED MONSTER IN 64.THIS IS A MOVIE STRAIGHT FROM JAPAN WHICH SHOWAVIDEO.COM EXPERTLY HAS ENGLISH SUBS PUT IN.NOW I ALREADY HAD THE CLASSIC MEDIA MOVIE THAT CAME OUT IN 2014 IN ANTICIPATION OF G-MAN 2014.REMEMBER ALL THE NEW RELEASES OF THE TOHO MOVIES THAT INCLUDED THE ORIGINAL JAPANESE VERSIONS WITH ENGLISH SUBS.I COULD NOT BELIEVE IT BUT DO YOU REMEMBER THE PART WHERE THE OR 1 OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS...OH THE SCIENTIST GUY AND HIS CREW THAT WERE MONITERING THE METEORITE.THAT GUY WAS SPEAKING IN A ROOM FULL OF THE MILITARY AND PRESS AND DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WHEN HE SAYS "AS WE ALL KNOW,GODZILA AND MOTHRA ONCE FOUGHT??REMEMBER THAT.ON THE AMERICAN DVD IN THE ENGLISH VERSION AND SUPPOSED JAPANESE VERSION HIS NEXT STATEMENT IS "AND WE KNOW THAT GODZILLA LOST THAT FIGHT" DO YOU REALIZE IN THE REAL ORIGINAL FROM JAPAN FROM SHOWAVIDEO.COM IT DOES SAY "AS WE ALL KNOW GODZILLA AND MOTHRA ONCE FOUGHT"BUT HE DOES NOT SAY "AND WE KNOW GODZILLA LOST THAT FIGHT" HE SAYS "IT MAY SOUND PRIMITIVE AND UNSCIENTIFIC,BUT THROUGH THE FAIRIES,WE COULD ASK MOTHRA FOR HELP".I WAS SHOCKED BECAUSE I AM EXPECTING THE REAL JAPANESE VERSION,NOT SOMETHING SOME AMERICAN COMPANY WAS TOO LAZY TO INTERPRET.THESE BLURAYS FROM SHOWA HAVE JAPANESE MENUS BUT ALL YOU DO IS INSERT THE DISC AND YOU WILL SEE THE JAPANESE MENUS BUT ALL YOU DO IS HIT THE OK BUTTON OR ENTER BUTTON OR THE PLAY BUTTON.IF FOR SOME REASON YOU DO NOT SEE THE ENGLISH SUBS ALL YOU DO IS HIT THE SUBTITLE BUTTON ON YOUR REMOTE UNTIL YOU SEE ENGLISH.THE EXTRAS THAT YOU GET ARE THE SAME EXTRAS THAT SOMEONE FROM JAPAN WOULD GET FOR EXAMPLE I BOUGHT THE MOVIE "WAR OF THE GARGANTUAS"AND EVEN THOUGH SHOWA DOES NOT TRANSLATE THE EXTRAS FOR YOU(TOO EXPENSIVE THEY TOLD ME)I GOT TO SEE A TOUR OF INSIDE TOHO STUDIOS WHICH WAS COOL AND ABOUT ANOTHER 5 EXTRAS. I AM GOING TO "REBUY"MY WHOLE GODZILLA COLLECTION FROM SHOWAVIDEO.COM,MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE PLETHORA OF EXTRAS BUT I WILL GET THE REAL DEAL TRANSLATION.IM SOOO SICK OF AMERICAN MOVIE COMPANIES CHANGING GODZILLA MOVIES.THEY ALSO HAVE AVAILABLE "UNAVAILABLE"MOVIES NOT YET IN AMERICA LIKE THE JAPANESE VERSION OF KK VS GODZILLA,GODZILLA VS MECHAGODZILLA 74,GODZILLA RETURNS AND BLURAYS OF TERROR OF MECHAGODZILLA,GHIDORAH,THE 3 HEADED MONSTER,INVASION OF ASTRO MONSTER.ETC.OH BY THE WAY "KING OF THE MONSTERS"DO YOU THINK KONG COULD BEAT MECHAGODZILLA?? HA HA OF COURSE HE COULDN'T!! WE ALL KNOW KONG IS EASILY KILLED BY SIMPLE MILITARY EQUIPMENT AND MECHA G'S WEAPONS ARE NOT ORDINARY.THE 70'S MECHA G COULD MAKE APE CHUNKS OF KONG.OF COURSE YOU REMEMBER G-MAN DESTROYING MECHA G TWICE.TOO BAD THERE ARE SO MANY KONG FANS IN DENIAL ON THIS SITE.NOW THEY WANT TO HAVE A 2020 GODZILLA VS KONG?? ISN'T KONG LIKE 25 FEET TALL FROM HIS LAST MOVIE IN 2005.ISN'T G-MAN OVER 350 FEET TALL?? HA HA WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO ABOUT THIS SIZE PROBLEM.OH YEAH TOHO ALREADY SAID IN AN ARTICLE I READ "OH WE WANT KONG TO BEAT GODZILLA,YES WE REALLY DO" HA HA HA HAAHAHAHA I THINK THEY HAVE STATED THAT SINCE WE(TOHO)HEARD THE EXCITING NEWS OF A REMATCH THAT WE TOHO ARE CONFIRMING THAT KONG IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE VICTOR AGAINST OUR GODZILLA" HAHAHAHAH YEAH REALLY!!!!!!



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    • What's your problem? Look, I don't really care 1 single bit about King Kong, and I'm telling you that you are dead wrong.

      Are you actually saying that you're gonna get a "real" translation showing Godzilla wins in the Japanese version? Tough luck. The Japanese version has King Kong win. The American version has King Kong win. Godzilla was in relative terms a NOBODY back in 1962. King Kong was already well known, having been around for 30 years--and Godzilla was a BAD GUY up to then. Why would Godzilla, a bad guy with not as much recognition as King Kong, win in a 1962 movie that could only happen because the company who had the film rights to Kong gave them to Toho? It would not make sense for marketing. It would not make sense for the sake of the film. Yes, TOHO WANTED KONG TO WIN, because Kong was a GOOD GUY who was universally known and Godzilla was a BAD GUY not known as well. TODAY, Godzilla is probably more known than King Kong, and Godzilla has been a good guy since, but not then. Also, no one ever said that King Kong was going to win in Godzilla vs. Kong. He will most definitely not--but he won't "lose" either. What's probably going to happen is that they will team up against an enemy in the end.

      Kong WON. He swam away after defeating Godzilla. GODZILLA DIDN'T DIE OR WHATEVER, he was just defeated at that point. It's as simple as that. If Godzilla retreated or whatever doesn't matter.

      Read this carefully: the King Kong in King Kong vs. Godzilla is NOT the one from 1933. Therefore he doesn't have to be, at all, 20 feet tall. Toho made him 45 meters so he could FIGHT Godzilla. You say that this makes him "King Kong in name only"? Oh, wouldn't that make every single Godzilla that is any bigger than 50 meters "Godzilla in name only" because they're not the exact same size as Godzilla and don't look exactly the same and don't have the same powers even though they're licensed, trademarked, and copyrighted as Godzilla? I didn't think so, so please stop.

      Oh and you keep talking about "Showavideo.com" or whatever. Look, official people with the actual transcripts of the Japanese films with professional translators to translate it know more about the 'subtitles' than a fan-made website. AND of course translations are going to vary. That's how languages work.

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    • Calm down, kid. You are not using reliable sources, and seem to be ignoring the fact that Toho and Universal both agreed to make it so King Kong won. Godzilla's fate may have been left ambiguous, but this is probably the result of Toho deciding over whether to bring 'Big G' back or not.

      Furthermore, it's pretty obvious as to why Toho and Universal needed to scale King Kong up. If they kept him as the same individual from 1933, having a 15ft tall Gorilla fight a 50 metre tall Kaiju would lead to predictable results.

      I strongly suggest you calm down, as the admins are likely to take action if you continue to behave this way.

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    • I highly suggest you take these comments elsewhere. This is not the place for you to be spouting your nonsensical opinions and theories, especially in the manner you're doing so. As Koopa already addressed, if you continue this we will be left with no other choice but to take action against you. Please, for the sake of everyone involved, stop.

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    • I think we should close this before more 'punctuation and capitialization errors' show up

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    • This has been long dead since February.

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    • LesStudios wrote:
      This has been long dead since February.

      Then why isn't closed? It's better in case he comes back and continues it

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    • Obvious troll is obvious. 

      Unless he's serious. In that case, I have lost faith in humanity.

      Ok, you can close the thread now. 

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    • Project Predacon
      Project Predacon removed this reply because:
      Unneeded comment which does nothing but advertise the other website in an improper fashion.
      20:45, January 13, 2017
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